These past couple of weeks have gotten really busy with the end of the semester coming. Tests have been coming at two per week for the past month, but the good news is that there's only two weeks and four more tests left. Everyone is getting wore out, but the end is near (in a good sense).
Yesterday, Friday, was a much needed holiday and I spent the most satisfying day of my life doing almost nothing. That holiday was Good Friday, and like any good PA student I decided to drop by the pathology lab / gross room. (No, it's not called the gross room because there's blood and guts everywhere. It's because it's where the pathologists' assistants observe specimens 'by eye', or grossly, as opposed to using a microscope. Although, I will say that some of the specimens that come in are quite up there on the gross scale.)
All of us students at WVU have a two day rotation in the gross room during the first semester and the truth is that I had already been there a month before back in March. I just hadn't gotten around to making a post about it. So, I am happy to say that instead of studying extra hard for my final tests I'm going to take a break and write about what you've all been waiting for. The gross room. The gross room (or surgical pathology laboratory, whatever you want to call it) is the environment where PAs will spend the majority of their time working.
You might remember in my post on my trip to the histology laboratory that I outlined the progress of a specimen and the different places that it moves through. After a piece of tissue or organ is cut out by the surgeon, the first place it is sent to is the gross room. There are histotechs (I believe they are histotechs and not laboratory assistants but correct me if I'm wrong) in the gross room who will accept the container and log that it was received into the computer system. It would be a disaster if someone had their kidney removed and then we couldn't find out where it went, so specimens are tracked wherever they go.
You might also remember these cassettes from before.
Each of these cassettes will hold a piece of tissue that the PAs cut off of a specimen and submit to histology. A single specimen may require many cassettes to hold all of the different pieces of tissue that the PA cuts off and each of these cassettes needs to have some kind of identifier. Wouldn't want to get the cassettes of one patient mixed up with another. So, the histotechs kindly label each cassette with a case number by using this machine.
I don't know the name of this machine, but it does remind me of a jenga tower.
After the specimen has been inputted into the system and the proper cassettes have been made the pathologists' assistant comes onto the scene. The next picture is what a typical PA's lab bench looks like.
Pretty neat. The gross room at Ruby Hospital here at WVU has four benches like this one.
You'll see that this bench is all tidy and ready to get to work. The PA receives the container with the specimen in it, the empty cassettes from the histotechs and of course a requisition form for the specimen. Once again, everything is compared to what's in the computer. It's good to be obsessive compulsive here.
The PA's job is to basically look at the specimen, describe what it looks like in words, look for evidence of tumors or other suspicious areas and properly cut the right pieces from the specimen so that the pathologist can make a diagnosis. (The cut pieces will be put into those cassettes and sent to the histology lab before it gets to the pathologist.) It's important not just to cut pieces of tissue that show the tumor itself, but also slices of tissue at the borders of the specimen that can show whether some of the tumor might still be in the patient! The surgeon will have to go back and cut out more from the patient if tumor is along the edges, so for the PA to determine what to cut and where to cut is especially important.
Each specimen has its own procedure on how to prepare it, how to cut it, what sections to submit to histology, how to describe it and so forth, so unfortunately, I can't tell you all on this blog what to do when you get something like a heart or a brain. You'll have to join me for two years of PA school heaven to find out. It's really great. We even get to do things like go back to elementary school and do painting! Don't believe me?
All those pretty colors there are inks that PAs use to paint their specimens. Not only is painting fun, it helps the pathologist. The pathologist wants to see whether the tumor in a specimen extends out and reaches the edge, but it's kind of difficult to tell which border is the outside surface when looking in a microscope. If a PA covers the outside surface of a specimen in, let's say, green ink and cuts out a piece of tissue that includes the green ink, then when the pathologist looks under the microscope he'll automatically know that the border with a line of green ink is the outside surface of the specimen. Any tumor that reaches the green line may still be in the patient.
Now, the PA also needs to describe in words what the specimen looks like. But it isn't as simple as just saying, "The tumor looks like a marshmallow". PAs have to learn a completely new language. Well, it's not completely new, but if you've ever heard a PA dictate a specimen into the computer, you would be in awe of their foreign language skills. Although I haven't learned to speak PAnese yet, I can speak a good amount of Japanese so I should be alright in the end.
The PA speaks through a headset with a voice recorder connected to the computer that looks something like this.
Whatever the PA says is put into the computer as text. The special program in the computer called "Dragon" takes care of the conversion, but it's not always perfect. I would not recommend trying to sing the "Pheasant Plucker" song through here. Even if you don't screw up the program will make sure that you do.
Whenever the computer makes a mistake, you'll be able to correct the mistakes the old fashion way, with a keyboard and mouse.
You'll notice that the keyboard that PAs use is a bit different from your normal keyboard. The keys are completely covered by rubber and it isn't because the fingers of PAs are messy from eating donuts. I'll let you figure it out.
So after the PA has described the specimen and cut out some pieces of tissue to send to histology the PA needs to put those pieces into the cassettes. Not all tissues are the same, so they'll be put into different cassettes and each one will be handled and prepared differently. Here's just a box of cassette holders that some cassettes can be put into before being fixed further.
In some cases, the patient will still be on the operating table while all this is going on. In such cases, evidence of tumor near the borders of a specimen need to be identified with great haste. Everything described up until now has been for specimens that have no urgency. If your patient is on an operating table with their abdomen open and the surgeon is waiting for the word on whether or not more needs to be cut out, it is not the time for you to be doing dictations. In these STAT specimens, you'll have to become both a PA and a histotech.
Fortunately, there is a device that will make sure your head doesn't roll down the hallway. Below is the awe-inspiring cryostat.
Does it look familiar? It's very similar to the microtome that histotechs use, complete with hand crank on the right. Unlike histotechs though, the tissue that PAs cut on this machine hasn't been fixed in formalin. That makes things a bit tricky. Tissue that hasn't been fixed in formalin or some other medium is more fragile and can tear when it's cut into thin slices. The solution is to freeze it.
It's actually pretty cold inside the cryostat. A special cooling gel called "Optimal Cooling Temperature" (confusing, I know) and a huge block of metal called a heatsink are put on the specimen to freeze it. Once the specimen has been frozen, it can be mounted and then cut like in the microtome. It's still a bit trickier cutting with the cryostat than with the microtome, though.
After you've got your slice of tissue on your microscope slide it needs to be stained.
You can dip the slides into these containers to get the right stain that you want. After that, all that's left is for a pathologist on call to take a look.
Normally, tissues submitted to histology will be completed the next day after they've been fixed overnight, but with this you can get a slide for the pathologist and they can make a diagnosis all within 10 minutes. Now, the poor patient doesn't have to stay on the operating table overnight with their abdomen open.
There are a lot of neat things in the laboratory that I haven't been able to cover. Here's one that might pique the interest of you photographers. They say that a picture is worth a thousand words and here in the gross room, they aren't kidding. You can take a picture of any specimen that you receive with this camera setup, though it's not going to save you from having to say a thousand word dictation.
Here's a somewhat grim last picture for you all. It's another tool that you would think you would find in a carpenter's workshop, but this saw wasn't made for cutting wood.
Hopefully, this quick run down of the pathology laboratory has given you a little more insight into the workings of a hospital and the lives of PAs. If you enjoy being able to concentrate on your work, use your head and share a love for the biological sciences, then becoming a pathologists' assistant may be a career you should consider. Don't forget, you get to paint like a grade schooler and use a bunch of cool power tools, too.
I would say that the person who accepts the specimen containers and accessions them is most likely a lab assistant. Same thing for the person that embeds the processed tissues. Why pay a certified histotech for the easy stuff?
ReplyDeleteThe thing that looks like a Jenga tower is usually called a cassette (or block) printer.
And you can use verbal commands to make your corrections in Dragon Medical (which is what I do since the computer set up at my grossing station is also the computer keyboard/mouse I use to log in specimens, so I never touch it with dirty hands). A lot of facilities still use live transcriptionists instead of voice recognition software which usually uses a pedal set up (you step on one pedal to record, another to rewind, and another one to save) and recording software. There are pros and cons to both systems.
Hello I am a Certified MLT, Medical Laboratory Technician in Syracuse, NY. We do the accessioning and processing of the specimens. We also assist in autopsies (removing brian), do the cutting on the cyrostat (frozen specimens), and the staining. Laboratory assistants work in the main lab processing.
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Thanks for the clarifications, Tammy! I'm curious, which program did you graduate from and where are you working now?
ReplyDeleteForrest, I'm actually not a PA yet! I am going to Duke in August, but I've been a grossing tech for 3 years so I know my way around a gross room ;-) I actually started a blog for PA school, but I'm not posting much yet because I still have another 3 months before I start. I'm excited though!
ReplyDeleteThat's great news. You'll have to give me a link once you get your blog up and running. I was beginning to wonder how you knew so much. Looks like you'll do just fine in PA school.
ReplyDeleteThere is a little content so far: http://thatgirlwiththescalpel.blogspot.com/
ReplyDeleteThanks for the link! I look forward to reading about your adventures in PA school.
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ReplyDeleteI would like someone who is knowledgeable about these things to maybe write me a list of the equipment I need for a pathology lab. I live in a smaller town in Europe, and there is only one pathology lab who charges arm and leg for their services. Being a PhD myself (cancer biology) I have general idea of the things we need, but I dont know the specifics and details that need to be in the lab in order to be able to do pathology services for local hospitals.
Any help in form of ideas, suggestions regarding the services, equipment and etc would be greatly appreciated.
thank you much
Hi there vmp,
ReplyDeleteI don't claim to be an expert, but from what I've seen of the gross labs in this area there are a number of machines that are needed.
First, it would be best to check your local laws regarding what might be needed. For example, with accessioning, you will need to have a computer system set up so that you can log what specimens that you receive.
I'm not sure if in your area you can just write your gross descriptions on paper or if they need to be inputted into a computer. The software that is used over here is called CoPath.
Each specimen will require cassettes for when you cut them, so you may want a machine that creates cassette/blocks for you.
You will need a room to store all of your specimens in formalin and you will need an area to store all of your other chemicals.
For hard bony specimens you may need a bone saw or something similar used in carpentry.
For some specimens you may want to buy a high quality camera set-up.
You will also need an area for histology. There is a machine that embeds tissue in paraffin wax.
After the specimens are embedded in wax inside their cassettes they need to be cut on a microtome.
There are also many different stains that are necessary, so you can either buy your own staining machine, or perhaps you can do it by hand.
Lastly, you'll also need a good microscope.
There are probably many things that I've left out. Some special studies require the freezing of tissue, so you'll also want a freezer. You may also want an x-ray machine for certain specimens.
I hope that this gives you a basic idea of some of the equipment used in the pathology laboratory.
I've done some work in some grossing labs and I'm going to link to your blog here. Just wanted to let you know. You can check out my blog post about it. http://pathotoko.blogspot.com/2011/04/trip-to-pathology-laboratory-gross-room.html
ReplyDeleteA cryostat is a device used to maintain cold cryogenic temperatures. Low temperatures may be maintained within a cryostat by using various refrigeration methods, most commonly using cryogenic fluid bath such as liquid helium. Hence it is usually assembled into a vessel, similar in construction to a vacuum flask or Dewar.
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ReplyDeleteAs a nationally-licensed histotechnologist, I can say that most of the time (depending on the facility) the lab assistant would accession the specimen, embed the easier tissue (such as those which are not GI biopsies or breast tissue), and stock all reagents/materials. In my experience, I do all embedding, microtomy (both on a regular microtome and cryo-stat) manual special staining and routine staining, bone marrow collection (for smears and clots), fine needle aspiration collection (FNA's) and random renal biopsy collection. I also do grossing and dictation of certain tissue and components (such as lymph nodes, etc.). The PA would take the tissue (after it's been accessioned [or filed] and given a case number) and grossly dictate the tissue. Also, when a frozen section (where the patient is under anesthesia in the OR) is called, a lab assistant would retrieve the specimen and accession it, while the PA would gross it (especially to look for margins of tumor growth) and give me a small piece of tissue on my chuck (already prepared with OCT) which needs to be cut, stained and dictated/diagnosed by the pathologist within 15 minutes. These findings are relayed back to the surgeon for further study. It's not uncommon to sometimes have 4-5 different cases at the same time (depending on surgery schedule) so attention to detail is very important (never cut two breast cases back to back!)
..Anyway, I know this article was about a PA, but I figured I could clear up the histotechnologists' role in the laboratory!
-Chris
Thank you for the comment Chris! That was very helpful.
ReplyDeleteAny Pathologist, PAs and histotechs that work in the Pathology department should definitely check out a company called Voicebrook.
ReplyDeletehttp://voicebrook.com/
They do speech to text as well as build commands to interact with your clinical application.
This means, that you can give commands, dictate, insert templates, fill in the blanks for templates ALL with voice.
Not much need for a mouse and keyboard.
I would appreciate knowing what safety precautions are taken in these grossing lab, we will be renovating one and some input about how other institutions are doing it would be helpful. Thank you to all who posted the information is a great help to understanding the process more clearly.
ReplyDeleteDoes anyone have any experience with the Mar-Med bone saw shown in the last photo here? My lab is looking at buying one but I would like feed back from someone that has used one. Thanks
ReplyDeleteCan anyone help with how to purchase the camera set up as in the picture displayed? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteHello, Mr. Merrill. I know it's been quite a while since you posted this blog, but it's quite remarkable and extremely interesting! I'm currently a junior at Har-Ber High School in Springdale, Arkansas, and I am very interested in becoming a PA in my future. This "trip around the gross room" was such an outstanding blog to read, and it makes me excited for the future! Thank you for posting this so long ago, it still brings superb insight.
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